Flash or Browser Games

magic1984 · 03-30-2009, 06:59 PM

I know that flash is better for games but doesnt it also take up a lot of resources...What do you think will be better, flash games (Better graphics) or games built with javascript which might run faster cause it doesnt need a lot of resources. What kind of games can be made with javascript, css, and html besides sodoku and the others???

Ganic · 03-30-2009, 11:10 PM

Unless a great deal of work is done I think javascript games are fairly limited compared to flash.

I think what would be fantastic is if the Pre supports flash that sites like kongregate or newgrounds make their own app that searches the data bases on their sites and lets you play the game as if it were installed on the phone, some games would have to be reworked but it may be worth it.

Rob · 03-30-2009, 11:46 PM

@Ganic that sounds EXACTLY like the type of database/webOS system that people would really, really enjoy. As for java, Jim Van mentioned it seemed laggy on the beta Pre he had. I know there are some skeptics out there but... just tossing it out.

magic1984 · 03-31-2009, 02:55 AM

Yea but Jim Van's announcement about the PRE being out was false so do you really think that he has a PRE or do you think he was false about every thing?

rmxdave · 03-31-2009, 04:49 PM

I think if Palm was serious about using Flash for games, they would have something to integrate it with the SDK so the games could use the accelerometer and native UI widgets. At least have the ability to add games like that to the launcher.

Fortunately I'm not getting this device for gaming, but it's always nice to have a few time-wasters

TeckieGirl40 · 03-31-2009, 04:55 PM

They are going to have flash i read that some where. i was so excited about that feature. they are working with adobe on that. oh snap. there are things on this phone that an iphone just can't do... seriously

Ganic · 04-05-2009, 12:24 PM

Adobe is working on Flash fo several different models of phones, so even if the Pre is the first one to get it it won't last long, but afaik they did not announce it for the iPhone, but given Apple they could be under a nda

rmxdave · 04-05-2009, 05:21 PM

If Pre makes it part of the Mojo SDK to interact with flash, then they would have a huge leg up on other platforms. Flash apps would actually be standalone games and applications that you can launch from the launcher and don't need a web browser to access. The apps would also use native WebOS UI widgets.

joshh347 · 04-05-2009, 06:51 PM

I hope that the Palm App store has a lot of FREE apps like the Apple App store. Most of the decent PalmOS apps all cost money... there are some free ones but they are pretty ugly/basic. Hopefully things will change with WebOS.

I would like some decent free games/apps!

bdot1276 · 04-08-2009, 04:57 AM

In general if Palm gets Flash 10 working on the headset I think they would be worlds ahead in both web experience and possibly gaming. Eventually they will need to allow devs to get to their hardware to make proper 3D based games.

ThePerfectCrime · 04-09-2009, 09:46 PM

Palm Pre needs to have flash support because I'm tired of no flash on my iPhone.

Ganic · 04-10-2009, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshh347

I hope that the Palm App store has a lot of FREE apps like the Apple App store. Most of the decent PalmOS apps all cost money... there are some free ones but they are pretty ugly/basic. Hopefully things will change with WebOS.

I would like some decent free games/apps!

I hope they have a good amount of quality free apps as well but have you seen Apples app store? There's 1 good free app for every 2000 terrible ones, so not everything is as awesome with having an app store as it would seem

joshh347 · 04-10-2009, 06:25 AM

My best friend and bf both have Iphone and I always grab them and play with them... because it's the next best thing to holding a PREcious PRE and I've seen some good free apps and lots of bad free apps. But at least there are lots of options. What's lame for one person may be great for another... that's for sure.

TeckieGirl40 · 04-10-2009, 01:12 PM

Where did you hear that? I will sick my puppies on him. In the interest of having a game(s) built so they run faster and that look good, flash would be better. I heard that apple is trying corner the market on the chips you need for flash. Just so you know.

docmike · 04-10-2009, 07:04 PM

Maybe I just haven't used the right games or phones but so far I've yet to find a smartphone game that was compelling at all

livewire1337 · 04-12-2009, 07:00 PM

Being a programmer in both Flash and Javascript, I can say that unless the Pre has an outstanding Javascript engine that is capable of robust physics engines like Box2dJS with no lag than Flash will be a lot better for games. If programmed well, Javascript can be superior to Flash but in most cases Flash wins in video games. However, I am not sure if using Flash you would have access to the accelerometer functions and proximity functions of the Pre.

fanaticalman2 · 04-20-2009, 03:03 PM

I hope there is a decent pool of developers making games for the Pre. Games are hardly the most important application, but they attract people and make the device look like fun.

schnoid · 04-20-2009, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fanaticalman2

I hope there is a decent pool of developers making games for the Pre. Games are hardly the most important application, but they attract people and make the device look like fun.

agreed. Every time I think of the iphone, I think of games that use the accelerometer. I think when those kinds of games are developed, the Pre will get a lot of attention.

fanaticalman2 · 04-20-2009, 04:07 PM

Developing games will just give the Pre the ability to appeal to that many more people. Will business user buy the pre because of games? Probably not. Will business users pass up the Pre because it has games? Definitely not. Games can only help the Pre in the market.

tennisplayer999 · 04-24-2009, 05:22 AM

I think that if pre decides to develope both then it would be the best but i think that java will be the way to go because i know of more java programers in the world then flash. And java allows for more complex games instead of flash.

jdlb · 04-24-2009, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ganic

Unless a great deal of work is done I think javascript games are fairly limited compared to flash.

I think what would be fantastic is if the Pre supports flash that sites like kongregate or newgrounds make their own app that searches the data bases on their sites and lets you play the game as if it were installed on the phone, some games would have to be reworked but it may be worth it.

My boy always goes on newgrounds when he gets tired of his online games or all his buddies have logged off. Just think of how many free games you would get to play and while they aren't the best games, there is a lot of them.

wynams · 04-24-2009, 06:35 PM

Even if Flash 10 doesn't work, the library of features for Air (flash for mobile devices) is ever increasing ...

and whomever was claiming the iphone wont do flash should check this out:
iPhone Saltwater Fish Compatibility Chart Application - manewc | Morgan Newcomb | Flash, Flex, AIR, & Web Development

tennisplayer999 · 04-25-2009, 07:28 AM

yeah i looked at that and i guess now that apple is supporting flash. they are trying to eliminate all competition

strandms · 06-04-2009, 03:49 AM

It will probably start out with Java based games, and hopefully with any hardware upgrades to the pre palm it will be able to support flash type games better

tennisplayer999 · 06-04-2009, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strandms

It will probably start out with Java based games, and hopefully with any hardware upgrades to the pre palm it will be able to support flash type games better

Trust me on this. JAVA is slow!!!!!!! very slow!!!!!!! it may start out with java cuz it easy to write, but it is slow, so dont expect huge amazing apps out of it!

Wanka_Bar · 06-04-2009, 01:54 PM

I hope there is a first person shouter, but I dont want to pay for each gun crap.

tennisplayer999 · 06-05-2009, 07:18 AM

first person shooters are incredibly hard to write and require a fast internet connection and a lot of processing power
so its going to b a long time before we get these games for a phone

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I downloaded it from here: http://download.cnet.com/3001-2140_4-75065920.html?spi=68a87b0bad1ea20e12285c5005469cde.
I downloaded even HD movies!

But it looks too easy, has no player, but just works. It downloaded ~12 concurrent movies for me and actually slows down my system. Its possible to do search in moviesherlock and search results differs from what you see in YouTube. Thats strange.
Who knows - youtube search are different for same text? I likes cat (Simons cat / dog).
Why doesn't youtube allows to download its movies without external tools?!! It actually sucks!

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I downloaded even HD movies!

But it looks too easy, has no player, but just works. It downloaded ~12 concurrent movies for me and actually slows down my system. Its possible to do search in moviesherlock and search results differs from what you see in YouTube. Thats strange.
Who knows - Tube results are different for same text? I likes cat (Simons cat / dog).
Why doesn't youtube allows to download its movies without external tools?!! It actually sucks!

Thanks in advance!

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03-30-2009, 06:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
magic1984 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: IL Posts: 63	Flash or Browser Games I know that flash is better for games but doesnt it also take up a lot of resources...What do you think will be better, flash games (Better graphics) or games built with javascript which might run faster cause it doesnt need a lot of resources. What kind of games can be made with javascript, css, and html besides sodoku and the others???

04-05-2009, 06:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
joshh347 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 494	I hope that the Palm App store has a lot of FREE apps like the Apple App store. Most of the decent PalmOS apps all cost money... there are some free ones but they are pretty ugly/basic. Hopefully things will change with WebOS. I would like some decent free games/apps! __________________ Palm Pre Wallpapers Free backgrounds for your Palm Pre! Pick from hundreds of beautiful and artistic pictures to show off your new Pre! Follow me on Twitter: @joshh347

04-10-2009, 06:25 AM	#13 (permalink)
joshh347 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 494	My best friend and bf both have Iphone and I always grab them and play with them... because it's the next best thing to holding a PREcious PRE and I've seen some good free apps and lots of bad free apps. But at least there are lots of options. What's lame for one person may be great for another... that's for sure. __________________ Palm Pre Wallpapers Free backgrounds for your Palm Pre! Pick from hundreds of beautiful and artistic pictures to show off your new Pre! Follow me on Twitter: @joshh347

04-12-2009, 07:00 PM	#16 (permalink)
livewire1337 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6	Being a programmer in both Flash and Javascript, I can say that unless the Pre has an outstanding Javascript engine that is capable of robust physics engines like Box2dJS with no lag than Flash will be a lot better for games. If programmed well, Javascript can be superior to Flash but in most cases Flash wins in video games. However, I am not sure if using Flash you would have access to the accelerometer functions and proximity functions of the Pre. Last edited by livewire1337; 04-12-2009 at 07:07 PM.

04-24-2009, 06:35 PM	#22 (permalink)
wynams Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PDX Posts: 16	Even if Flash 10 doesn't work, the library of features for Air (flash for mobile devices) is ever increasing ... and whomever was claiming the iphone wont do flash should check this out: iPhone Saltwater Fish Compatibility Chart Application - manewc \| Morgan Newcomb \| Flash, Flex, AIR, & Web Development __________________ Freelance Web Developer

03-30-2009, 11:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ganic Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 82	Unless a great deal of work is done I think javascript games are fairly limited compared to flash. I think what would be fantastic is if the Pre supports flash that sites like kongregate or newgrounds make their own app that searches the data bases on their sites and lets you play the game as if it were installed on the phone, some games would have to be reworked but it may be worth it.

03-30-2009, 11:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
Rob Administrator Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 69	@Ganic that sounds EXACTLY like the type of database/webOS system that people would really, really enjoy. As for java, Jim Van mentioned it seemed laggy on the beta Pre he had. I know there are some skeptics out there but... just tossing it out.

03-31-2009, 02:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
magic1984 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: IL Posts: 63	Yea but Jim Van's announcement about the PRE being out was false so do you really think that he has a PRE or do you think he was false about every thing?

03-31-2009, 04:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
rmxdave Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: http://twitter.com/rmxdave Posts: 27	I think if Palm was serious about using Flash for games, they would have something to integrate it with the SDK so the games could use the accelerometer and native UI widgets. At least have the ability to add games like that to the launcher. Fortunately I'm not getting this device for gaming, but it's always nice to have a few time-wasters

03-31-2009, 04:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
TeckieGirl40 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 358	They are going to have flash i read that some where. i was so excited about that feature. they are working with adobe on that. oh snap. there are things on this phone that an iphone just can't do... seriously

04-05-2009, 12:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ganic Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 82	Adobe is working on Flash fo several different models of phones, so even if the Pre is the first one to get it it won't last long, but afaik they did not announce it for the iPhone, but given Apple they could be under a nda

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rmxdave Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: http://twitter.com/rmxdave Posts: 27	If Pre makes it part of the Mojo SDK to interact with flash, then they would have a huge leg up on other platforms. Flash apps would actually be standalone games and applications that you can launch from the launcher and don't need a web browser to access. The apps would also use native WebOS UI widgets.

04-08-2009, 04:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
bdot1276 Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 81	In general if Palm gets Flash 10 working on the headset I think they would be worlds ahead in both web experience and possibly gaming. Eventually they will need to allow devs to get to their hardware to make proper 3D based games.

04-09-2009, 09:46 PM	#11 (permalink)
ThePerfectCrime Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3	Palm Pre needs to have flash support because I'm tired of no flash on my iPhone.

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TeckieGirl40 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 358	Where did you hear that? I will sick my puppies on him. In the interest of having a game(s) built so they run faster and that look good, flash would be better. I heard that apple is trying corner the market on the chips you need for flash. Just so you know.

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docmike Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 538	Maybe I just haven't used the right games or phones but so far I've yet to find a smartphone game that was compelling at all

04-20-2009, 03:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
fanaticalman2 Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 60	I hope there is a decent pool of developers making games for the Pre. Games are hardly the most important application, but they attract people and make the device look like fun.

04-20-2009, 04:07 PM	#19 (permalink)
fanaticalman2 Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 60	Developing games will just give the Pre the ability to appeal to that many more people. Will business user buy the pre because of games? Probably not. Will business users pass up the Pre because it has games? Definitely not. Games can only help the Pre in the market.

04-24-2009, 05:22 AM	#20 (permalink)
tennisplayer999 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 235	I think that if pre decides to develope both then it would be the best but i think that java will be the way to go because i know of more java programers in the world then flash. And java allows for more complex games instead of flash.

04-25-2009, 07:28 AM	#23 (permalink)
tennisplayer999 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 235	yeah i looked at that and i guess now that apple is supporting flash. they are trying to eliminate all competition

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strandms Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 8	It will probably start out with Java based games, and hopefully with any hardware upgrades to the pre palm it will be able to support flash type games better

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tennisplayer999 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 235	first person shooters are incredibly hard to write and require a fast internet connection and a lot of processing power so its going to b a long time before we get these games for a phone

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